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Pressurized Aircraft as a low time pilot

Posted on June 1, 2020 by Scott Smith

Pressurized Aircraft as a low time pilot.

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Recently, I was asked about buying a Pressurized aircraft. Of course, this was from a low time pilot looking for a good cross-country aircraft. Currently some older pressurized aircraft have cheap or low prices.  Let me say right up front, they are cheap for a reason. I am not saying a pressurized aircraft is not a great deal.  It is just that they come with their own set of issues. These issue can make owning one more expensive than a non-pressurized aircraft.

I was asked the following question.   “At this point, I am a low time, private pilot.  I realize I probably have a long way to go before I will be able to get insurance in the pressurized Skymaster with me as a pilot.  But I do want to get to the point where I can fly it and have insurance.  I thought with your unique history of being familiar with the Skymaster and dealing in aviation insurance, you might give me some guidance on the best way to get to a position of flying the Skymaster and getting insurance.  I have around 75 (logged) hours of flight time.

What is the safest and most economical strategy for me to get insurance in a Pressurized Skymaster?  Would it be beneficial for me to begin conducting dual instruction in the Skymaster? Could I complete all my instrument training, multi-engine training and type training in our actual airplane?  What about completing at least 50 hours of dual instruction before acting as pilot in command. Can they  limit the pilot in command activities to those required to complete the ratings and check-rides.

Even though this is a lot of dual, it is still safer and more economical for me than renting to build time and ratings.

Is such a scenario even possible? 

If so, approximately what would it cost in premiums?  If this is not practical, my second alternative would be to buy an older normally aspirated Skymaster (mid 60’s model) in the $50,000 range and follow the same path.  Would this work?

Finally, if neither of these scenarios is possible, then what would you suggest to get  me from here to there with the least amount of time and expense?”

So, let me clarify that the FAA requirements and the insurance requirements are not the same.  You can get your multi engine rating with the 75 hours and be licensed to fly the Skymaster (pressurized or normal) without meeting any of the insurance “minimums’.  That said, most people don’t want to do that.

Additionally, you can buy liability insurance and hull protection, or you can buy liability only.  Liability only would probably be the minimum that you would want.  This would provide coverage for property damage and bodily injury that you are found liable for.  But, don’t get the impression that just because it is liability only, you will be able to get the coverage with less requirements.  If the underwriters do not want to provide coverage because of your low hours or lack of ratings, it won’t matter if it is liability only or full coverage.  You will still be a risk to them and they will still decline to quote or add a lot of requirements.

That said, you could probably get insurance coverage in a non-pressurized $50,000 Skymaster if you had about 250 hours total time, an instrument rating and about 25 hours of retractable gear time.  Of course, it would probably cost you about $5,000+ a year in insurance premiums.

The next step is to shoot for about 500 hours of logged time, an instrument rating and about 50 hours of retractable gear time (oh, and a multi rating).  You could probably get coverage in the Pressurized Skymaster with those minimums.  You will still pay a decent premium and still be required to attend school and receive dual (probably 15 – 25 hours at least).  Only a couple companies will provide coverage in that situation.  Which is also a minor problem. This first year will be the most difficult.  Expect high premiums, very little competition for your business and lots of dual.

In reference to getting the multi engine rating, I’d look into getting a conventional twin engine rating instead of just the Skymaster rating.  A regular multi engine rating is good for ANY twins (Skymaster included). But a multi engine rating limited to the Skymaster (center-line thrust twins) is just that, limited to the Skymaster.  The conventional multi rating has more potential and flexibility and the experience is well worth it.

This doesn’t mean you ever have to fly a conventional twin again, but at least you would be familiar with the behavior of a regular twin.  If you can get the conventional multi rating there would be a better chance to rent a twin for a number of hours.  Skymaster’s are all but impossible to rent.  Of course, it’s the normal aviation recommendation, the more hours the better.  More hours will only make the insurance buying experience easier

I would assume that the current insurance carrier will not cover the aircraft during any of the flights you make, if you are logging dual.  There are clauses in all insurance policies that prohibit giving dual to pilots that are not listed on the policy for that purpose.  Many people have tried to put their instructor on the policy (but not them) and then get the dual, the policy will be voided if there is a claim, so read the pilot requirements carefully.

Your ideas are probably the hardest option, you could try and be named pilot on the policy to receive dual only for some length of time.  Maybe until you reach 150 hours total and become instrument rated…ask your agent if they can do that.  If not, contact me and we can try and help you.  And your proposal of dual is probably on the average to low end.  At your total time, they would (if they agreed) require lots of dual and formal school.

Also, I am not saying pressurized aircraft are not a good investment.  Its just be prepared for the increased maintenance because of the things necessary to keep the cabin pressurized.  Just a few things extra expenses to think about. Additionally, almost all pressurized aircraft will require annual school by the insurance company. Does not matter if it’s a Pressurized Skymaster of a Cessna 421. So, figure that extra cost in your annual expenses.

Posted in aircraft, aircraft insurance, aircraft maintenance, aircraft training, airplanes, airshows, Airventure, Cessna, Cessna skymaster, pilot license, pilot training, pilots, Skymasters, Uncategorized | Tags: aircraft, Aircraft insurance, airplanes, airshows, aviation insurance, Cessna, Cessna 337, skymaster |

Time to buy an airplane?

Posted on February 25, 2020 by Scott Smith

Buy an airplane?

If you are thinking you might buy an airplane, this may be a good time to get serious. Besides the fact that spring always seems to bring out more buyers it also seems like the market is “right” for buying an airplane. By “right” it appears that in today’s economy you can buy some airplane models and probably be able maintain their value or even make a few bucks over the next couple of years. I’m not saying buy new, but good used  popular models.

Anyway, I have been involved in the aviation market for a number of years. I can remember when buying an aircraft (especially a Cessna 172 or Cherokee Archer etc.) was almost a guarantee to make money. Used airplane prices were always going up.  Of course, there were years of high gas prices or high interest rates which had major impact on prices. And then the crash in the in the 2006 – 2007 area where prices went lower than 1995…

But, recently it looks good again.  I was researching aircraft prices for a recent Cessna Owners and Piper Owners Magazines article where I was discussing how to value your aircraft.  Personally, I like to use VREF as a pricing guide and included a recent graph in my story of the light single engine market prices.  See the graph below.

Take a look at the 3rd quarter of 2016. The single engine market started an uphill run and doesn’t look like it will slow down. It looks like if the economy keeps up the momentum, maybe we can get back to the peak prices we had back in 2000 – 2001.

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Of course don’t forget to get an insurance quote from SkySmith for the airplane you are thinking about buying! Click here to get a quote!

Posted in aircraft, aircraft finance, aircraft insurance, aircraft ownership, airplanes, airshows, Aviation, aviation market, SUN ‘n FUN, sun and fun, sun n fun, Trade a plane, Uncategorized | Tags: aircraft, airplanes, airshows, aviation, aviation insurance, barnstormers, Cessna, EAA, experimental aircraft, homebuilt, kitplanes, Piper, Sun N Fun, Textron, trade a plane, Vref |

Pitts Specials at SUN ‘n FUN 2020

Posted on February 14, 2020 by Scott Smith
For Immediate Release

Free Admission for Flying Your Pitts to SUN ‘n FUN 2020.

Celebrating the 75th Anniversary of the Pitts Special

February 14, 2020

Lakeland, Florida: The 2020 SUN ‘n FUN Aerospace Expo will commemorate the 75th Anniversary of one of the most exciting aerobatic aircraft ever made – the iconic Pitts Special. The first test flight of the Pitts S-1 was made by Curtis Pitts himself in 1945, after which the aircraft type quickly gained acclaim from competition and recreational pilots alike. The Pitts Special is widely regarded as one of the most agile and maneuverable aerobatic aircraft in the world and has been manufactured in numerous configurations during its storied history.

SUN ‘n FUN is celebrating the diamond anniversary of this beautiful aircraft by inviting Pitts owners to showcase their planes in a specially designated parking area in SUN ‘n FUN’s new Aerobatic HQ. The aircraft will be displayed in the center of SUN ‘n FUN’s air-side attractions, with a full range of forums and seminars for members and aerobatic enthusiasts onsite throughout the week. In celebration of Curtis Pitt’s legacy, those who bring their Pitts aircraft will be awarded free weekly admission for up to two (2). Upon arriving at the Fly-in, Pitts owners are requested to place a sign in their dashboards with large letters ACRO in order to be directed to the Aerobatic HQ parking area. Wristbands will be issued by SUN ‘n FUN volunteers upon arrival and registration.

SUN ‘n FUN has two (2) Pitts Special S-1 aircraft on display year-round in the Florida Air Museum, located on the SUN ‘n FUN Expo Campus. Both from 1972, the first was built and donated by Paul and Audrey Poberezny’s daughter, Bonnie, which currently hangs inverted in the Buehler Restoration Center. Attendees of The Bash during this year’s Fly-In can get an up-close look at this aircraft in its current location before it moves to its new home in the new Aerospace Center for Excellence’s Project SkyLab front entrance lobby. The 22,000 sq. ft. expansion is scheduled for completion in 2021. Bruce Dunham donated the second aircraft, currently on display in the expanding facility.

The SUN ‘n FUN Aerospace Expo is March 31st – April 5th 2020. Come join the excitement in the new Aerobatic HQ and celebrate the 75th Anniversary of the Pitts Special.

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