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Piper Cherokee 140?

Posted on May 15, 2024 by Scott Smith

Recent question about buying a Piper Cherokee 140.

Basically the question is, Should I buy a Piper Cherokee 140 or a Cessna 172?

“I just finished reading your book “How to Buy a Single-Engine Airplane”.  Man, it was great!  I am a private pilot with 400+ hours in a Cessna 150.  Five years ago, I sold it thinking that I would not fly enough to merit the expense.  Ever since, I have been like a caged animal looking for a hole to escape into the wild blue yonder!  With your beautiful little book, I found a hole in which to escape from my self-made prison and am now in a hunt for a Cessna 172 or Piper Cherokee 140.  I have $40K in a fruit jar to invest.  Now for the BIG question, what can I expect in terms of hours on the plane, year (age), etc.?  Please help me!”

Wow, thank you for the kind comments about the book!  Glad you are excited about getting another aircraft. You can actually consider a number of nice aircraft for the $40,000 range.  You won’t usually get new engines, new paint and a panel full of new flat panel displays, but you should be able to get a nice basic digital IFR, mid-time engine, good-looking aircraft.

It appears that you should be able to buy a Piper 140 for a little less than the Cessna 172.  I think that is because it is really a 2+2 aircraft, even more than the Cessna 172.  The original Piper 140 models came from the factory as two seat aircraft or two seats with a small jump seat in the baggage area.  The PA28-140 does not have a baggage door to access the area from the outside or the baggage space behind the rear seat like the Cessna 172 does.  Many people equate the Cherokee 140 to an enlarged Cessna 150 although I do not think that is really a fair comparison.

The Cherokee 140 can be a very economical traveling machine for two people with the ability to take a third (or possible a fourth if they are really small) for a ride.  Check out the aviation classifieds (Trade a Plane etc.) and you will be surprised at what is available.  Do not discount a high time airframe aircraft.  Take into account its use, condition and maintenance.

I went shopping and found a number of 1960’s era PA28-140’s priced right around $40,000.  A few were IFR equipped; most were 4,000 to 5,000 hour airframes and 1,200 to 1,500 hour engines.  The Lycoming 0-320’s have a 2,000 TBO and the average person flies less than 50 hours year, which gives you eight to 10 years of use before you need an overhaul.  The Cessna 172’s in that price range were 1956 to 1962 models.  Most of the 1965 and newer Cessna 172 aircraft were over $40K. There is an occasional later year, high time, run out engine for less money.  To find the later model Cessna (or Pipers for that matter) at the lower prices you have to monitor the ads and be ready to buy.  Late model and low prices sell quickly.

Piper Cherokee 140

 

Cessna 172

 

Posted in aircraft, aircraft ownership, airshows, Aviation | Tags: aircraft, airplanes, Cessna, EAA, Piper, Sun N Fun, sunnfun |

Broker of record?

Posted on April 26, 2024 by Scott Smith

We still get asked why only one broker can get an aviation insurance quote at a time. So let me try and summarize this issue.

We shop all markets that are available for a specific type of aircraft. But, the aviation insurance industry is different than buying car insurance. In car insurance you can call all the agents on the same block and they can quote the same companies and all offer you a quote. Aviation insurance companies will release a quotation for your aircraft insurance to only ONE broker at a time.

If our agency has attempted to quote all applicable markets (except Avemco who is a direct insurance underwriter and doesn’t use outside agents) but has been blocked from getting quotes it is because another broker is doing the same thing.

Being blocked means you have contacted more than one broker and they have also been quoting your aviation insurance risk. By allowing more than one broker to get quotes, you have taken away each brokers ability to quote the same companies.

You are probably thinking that it doesn’t make sense or seem fair, but aviation underwriting is somewhat subjective and by limiting the number of quotes released, an underwriting company can be more consistent. Now, on a new insurance risk a couple of companies have started to let more than one broker quote. But that’s not a universal trend, yet. I think as more companies are come more computerized that will happen more often. The problem with computerized quotes, there is less of an opportunity to deviate from the guidelines. If the computer says no you can’t get insured, that’s all you might get from that company. No options or flexibility.

Our goal is to provide the best customer service possible and we hope to do that through competitive quotes, aviation expertise and personal contact. We do quote all companies available.

I believe we have a number of advantages over other brokers. We didn’t just get into the experimental market in the last few years as an agency; we have been working with the experimental aircraft market since I started in the aviation insurance business in 1985. I am a pilot, I have owned and flown experimental aircraft and I have been involved in aviation since I was a kid. I married into an aviation family and my wife grew up in an FBO and is my partner in the business. I have been an author and columnist for years on aviation topics and in aviation magazines. I still attend aviation events and give seminars for owners.

That’s said, if you have run into a situation where you contact more than one broker you might be asked to sign a “Broker of Record” letter.

This letter would tell the underwriters that you want one broker to be your broker and that all the quotes should be released to that broker. Hope that helps.

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Boat Insurance Tips!

Posted on April 20, 2024 by Scott Smith

Boat Insurance Tips!

Boat Insurance Tips

A few Boat Insurance Tips to help you get the best insurance rates (and a few other things to remember):

  • Get out there and boat.  Experience moves you up the boat ladder and helps your insurance rates and requirements.
  • Plan on getting a survey whether the insurance requires it or not, it is just a good practice. Plus it helps determine a value for the boat.
  • Participate in training programs Coast Guard or others.
  • Regular maintenance can help reduce the cost of ownership and risk of problems.  Inspect or have your boat inspected by a qualified marine mechanic at least a couple of times a year.
  • Fix things that are broken or in need of repair before someone gets hurt or you get stuck on the water and you have to make a claim.  Claims will affect your rates and ability to get insurance.
  • Have a plan to protect or move your boat if bad weather is heading your direction.  If bad weather is winter, lay up the boat. Most underwriters offer reduce rates for boats that are not used year round.
  • Securely store your boat by installing theft prevention devices on electronics, outboard engines, out drives, trailer hitches, etc.
  • Install alarm and safety systems to protect against high bilge water levels, fires, vapors and theft.
  • Keep your supply of charts and data cards current and plan your routes to avoid accidental grounding and bad weather.
  • Be a responsible boater and use appropriate Personal Flotation Devices; don’t drink and boat and follow the “rules” of the waterway.

Need a boat insurance quote don’t forget to call me.

My names on the door!

 

Posted in boat checklist, Boat claims, Boat Insurance, boat maintenance, boat projects, boat repair, boat safety, boat service, Boat shows, boating, boating safety, boating service, boatshows | Tags: boat claims, boat insurance, boat maintenance, Boat Shows, boating, boating safety, boats |
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