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Pressurized Aircraft as a low time pilot

Posted on June 1, 2020 by Scott Smith

Pressurized Aircraft as a low time pilot.

Pressurized

 

Recently, I was asked about buying a Pressurized aircraft. Of course, this was from a low time pilot looking for a good cross-country aircraft. Currently some older pressurized aircraft have cheap or low prices.  Let me say right up front, they are cheap for a reason. I am not saying a pressurized aircraft is not a great deal.  It is just that they come with their own set of issues. These issue can make owning one more expensive than a non-pressurized aircraft.

I was asked the following question.   “At this point, I am a low time, private pilot.  I realize I probably have a long way to go before I will be able to get insurance in the pressurized Skymaster with me as a pilot.  But I do want to get to the point where I can fly it and have insurance.  I thought with your unique history of being familiar with the Skymaster and dealing in aviation insurance, you might give me some guidance on the best way to get to a position of flying the Skymaster and getting insurance.  I have around 75 (logged) hours of flight time.

What is the safest and most economical strategy for me to get insurance in a Pressurized Skymaster?  Would it be beneficial for me to begin conducting dual instruction in the Skymaster? Could I complete all my instrument training, multi-engine training and type training in our actual airplane?  What about completing at least 50 hours of dual instruction before acting as pilot in command. Can they  limit the pilot in command activities to those required to complete the ratings and check-rides.

Even though this is a lot of dual, it is still safer and more economical for me than renting to build time and ratings.

Is such a scenario even possible? 

If so, approximately what would it cost in premiums?  If this is not practical, my second alternative would be to buy an older normally aspirated Skymaster (mid 60’s model) in the $50,000 range and follow the same path.  Would this work?

Finally, if neither of these scenarios is possible, then what would you suggest to get  me from here to there with the least amount of time and expense?”

So, let me clarify that the FAA requirements and the insurance requirements are not the same.  You can get your multi engine rating with the 75 hours and be licensed to fly the Skymaster (pressurized or normal) without meeting any of the insurance “minimums’.  That said, most people don’t want to do that.

Additionally, you can buy liability insurance and hull protection, or you can buy liability only.  Liability only would probably be the minimum that you would want.  This would provide coverage for property damage and bodily injury that you are found liable for.  But, don’t get the impression that just because it is liability only, you will be able to get the coverage with less requirements.  If the underwriters do not want to provide coverage because of your low hours or lack of ratings, it won’t matter if it is liability only or full coverage.  You will still be a risk to them and they will still decline to quote or add a lot of requirements.

That said, you could probably get insurance coverage in a non-pressurized $50,000 Skymaster if you had about 250 hours total time, an instrument rating and about 25 hours of retractable gear time.  Of course, it would probably cost you about $5,000+ a year in insurance premiums.

The next step is to shoot for about 500 hours of logged time, an instrument rating and about 50 hours of retractable gear time (oh, and a multi rating).  You could probably get coverage in the Pressurized Skymaster with those minimums.  You will still pay a decent premium and still be required to attend school and receive dual (probably 15 – 25 hours at least).  Only a couple companies will provide coverage in that situation.  Which is also a minor problem. This first year will be the most difficult.  Expect high premiums, very little competition for your business and lots of dual.

In reference to getting the multi engine rating, I’d look into getting a conventional twin engine rating instead of just the Skymaster rating.  A regular multi engine rating is good for ANY twins (Skymaster included). But a multi engine rating limited to the Skymaster (center-line thrust twins) is just that, limited to the Skymaster.  The conventional multi rating has more potential and flexibility and the experience is well worth it.

This doesn’t mean you ever have to fly a conventional twin again, but at least you would be familiar with the behavior of a regular twin.  If you can get the conventional multi rating there would be a better chance to rent a twin for a number of hours.  Skymaster’s are all but impossible to rent.  Of course, it’s the normal aviation recommendation, the more hours the better.  More hours will only make the insurance buying experience easier

I would assume that the current insurance carrier will not cover the aircraft during any of the flights you make, if you are logging dual.  There are clauses in all insurance policies that prohibit giving dual to pilots that are not listed on the policy for that purpose.  Many people have tried to put their instructor on the policy (but not them) and then get the dual, the policy will be voided if there is a claim, so read the pilot requirements carefully.

Your ideas are probably the hardest option, you could try and be named pilot on the policy to receive dual only for some length of time.  Maybe until you reach 150 hours total and become instrument rated…ask your agent if they can do that.  If not, contact me and we can try and help you.  And your proposal of dual is probably on the average to low end.  At your total time, they would (if they agreed) require lots of dual and formal school.

Also, I am not saying pressurized aircraft are not a good investment.  Its just be prepared for the increased maintenance because of the things necessary to keep the cabin pressurized.  Just a few things extra expenses to think about. Additionally, almost all pressurized aircraft will require annual school by the insurance company. Does not matter if it’s a Pressurized Skymaster of a Cessna 421. So, figure that extra cost in your annual expenses.

Posted in aircraft, aircraft insurance, aircraft maintenance, aircraft training, airplanes, airshows, Airventure, Cessna, Cessna skymaster, pilot license, pilot training, pilots, Skymasters, Uncategorized | Tags: aircraft, Aircraft insurance, airplanes, airshows, aviation insurance, Cessna, Cessna 337, skymaster |

F-35, F-22, F-16 DEMO TEAMS

Posted on April 1, 2020 by Scott Smith

F-35, F-22, F-16 DEMO TEAMS BRING SPEED AND POWER TO EAA AIRVENTURE OSHKOSH 2020 AIR SHOW SCHEDULE

Current military aircraft to fly solo performances plus memorable Heritage Flights

EAA AVIATION CENTER, OSHKOSH, Wisconsin — (March 31, 2020) — Current military fighter jets are among the most popular draws every year during the EAA AirVenture Oshkosh air shows, and the 2020 schedule lives up that reputation with demo teams with three of the top fighters in the U.S. military fleet. This year’s Experimental Aircraft Association fly-in convention features demo teams flying the F-16 Fighting Falcon, F-22 Raptor, and F-35 Lightning II throughout the week.

The 68th EAA fly-in convention, the World’s Greatest Aviation Celebration, is July 20-26 at Wittman Regional Airport in Oshkosh, Wisconsin.

“As we continue to plan for a full AirVenture event this summer, EAA members and other attendees overwhelmingly tell us that they love to see the speed and power of modern military aircraft on display,” said Dennis Dunbar, director of AirVenture air show operations. “The pilots of these aircraft love flying at Oshkosh as well, as they know they are performing in front of one of the most knowledgeable and appreciative air show audiences they’ll find anywhere.”

The F-16 Viper Demonstration Team will fly its own performances and participate as part of the Air Force Heritage Flight program, which matches current military aircraft with legendary warbirds from previous eras such as World War II. It comes to Oshkosh from Shaw Air Force Base in South Carolina.

The F-22 Raptor Demonstration Team demonstrates the abilities of the Lockheed Martin F-22, which was introduced by the Air Force in 1997 and is one of the premier air superiority fighter jets in the world. The demo team’s headquarters is at Joint Base Langley-Eustis in Virginia.

The F-35A Lightning II Demonstration Team will also fly both solo and Heritage Flight performances with Capt. Kristin “Beo” Wolfe piloting. Capt. Wolfe is the Air Force first female F-35A Demo Team pilot and commander. It is based at Hill Air Force Base in Utah.

Exact dates and times of each demo team performance will be announced as they are finalized for AirVenture week, which features nine air shows over seven days, including two night air shows.

Posted in aircraft, airshow, Airventure, Aviation, EAA | Tags: Air Force, Aircraft insurance, airshows, Airventure, AMATEUR-BUILT AIRCRAFT, aviation, EAA, experimental aircraft, FAA, Military |

Airshow season is starting!

Posted on March 3, 2020 by Scott Smith

Airshow Season – Sun N Fun and AirVenture

airshow season

Airshow season is my a favorite time of year.  I use Sun N Fun as my kick off show usually. It is like they say, the “Spring break for pilots”.  And i usually write about attending events like Sun N Fun and AirVenture for the Cessna Owners and Piper Owners Magazines.  So if you want more details join those two groups and you can get access to the articles.  I have also put up a short video here about Airshows.

Anyway, I usually see four major issues which I have noted below (which were in the Cessna and Piper article!  These are my opinion only, that I have formed from years of attending airshows and insurance.

Airshow-itus – Getting all excited and making high performance take offs and landing or a fly-by that end up in a mishap. There is something about being at an airshow or a fly-in that gets to a pilot and make them want to impress others. I do believe that being a pilot is a great achievement. Its also a great experience and it is also a huge ego boost. But remember the line from Top Gun, “Your egos writing checks your body can’t cash”, its amazing how many people try to “cash” at an airshow.

Volunteerisms – most events, shows, fly-ins are manned by volunteers.  Volunteers make the shows go around. And they are trying to do their best even if they don’t quite no what they are doing. But watch out when they are directing you to park, you are still the pilot and need to have the final decision. Many a pilot has followed the direction of the vested flag bearing volunteer and needed up with a collapsed nose gear or prop strike.  They directed, you pay.

Weather – is one of those things that change and at a show like Sun N Fun it can be nice this morning and storming this afternoon, just like AirVenture. Be prepared for weather changes. That includes tie downs and control locks. And if you are tenting… well, maybe you can sleep in the plane?

General population – The regulars, the muggles, whatever people call the “non-pilots”.  I know that kind of sounds bad.  But one thing about big airshows, especially if the show has a military team (Blue Angles, Thunderbird’s etc.)  they draw big crowds. And not all those people are pilots or owners. Many are just aviation enthusiast that like watching “Top Gun” movies and dog fighting on their simulators. That’s okay, a show needs to make money and pilots are small numbers compared to the general public.  What that does mean is a lot of the attendees are people that do not know about airplanes and what’s acceptable behavior around aircraft.  So watch out for people walking into props, bumping heads on flaps or putting kids on wings. Be alert to those around you!

I also put together a few Airshow season tips that I have heard from customers, friends and my own experiences.

  1. Check the weather forecast and pack accordingly (but you can always buy stuff if needed)
  2. Look at the events website and see what’s happened in past years and talk to past attendees about what to expect
  3. Make sure you have tie downs appropriate for the event and the size of your aircraft
  4. Check your aviation insurance and make sure it has the appropriate coverage use of your plane at the event. If you need additional insureds and a Certificate of Insurance start early. Don’t wait until the last minute and not get a chance to display your airplane
  5. Know the navigation, TFR’s and of course the arrival and departure procedures
  6. Need a rental car? Reserve ahead.
  7. Make sure you have more than one credit card and extra cash. One thing about airshows, they always cost money. One of the first things in my pre-flight is checking my wallet for credit cards and licenses.
  8. If you plan on shopping for aircraft supplies for the year, make sure your weight and balance will handle the return trip. But, don’t worry, you can always send your passengers home on the airlines if needed.

Don’t forget to look me up at Sun N Fun

sunnfun

And AirVenture

Posted in aircraft, aircraft ownership, airshow, airshows, Airventure, Aviation, aviation insurance, EAA, SUN ‘n FUN, sun and fun, sun n fun | Tags: aerobatic, aircraft, Aircraft insurance, airplanes, airshows, Airventure, AMATEUR-BUILT AIRCRAFT, aviation, aviation insurance, experimental aircraft, FAA, homebuilt, Piper, Sun N Fun, sunnfun, Textron |
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