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Missing Logbooks?

Posted on September 24, 2019 by Scott Smith

Missing Logbooks.

Should you even consider buying an aircraft that is missing logbooks?

Every now and then you run into a situation where the aircraft logbooks are missing, or have been lost and reconstructed.  Should that stop you from buying the aircraft?

Well, maybe.  Just because the logs are gone doesn’t mean it is a bad deal.  Try to substantiate the aircraft and engine hours (along with compliance with Airworthiness Directives (AD’s) and service bulletins) through the use of past maintenance records (invoices, shop tickets, etc.)  If it doesn’t have any records, all the hours, overhaul estimates and repairs, are a guess.  With past work orders and shop tickets you can attempt to rebuild the records.  This would at least provide a reasonable base of hours to start from.  It also depends on the use of the aircraft.  Some commercial operations require that the hours and the TBO requirements be validated in the logs or maintenance records or the part cannot be used.  If you don’t have a record of those, the use may require the overhaul of that component.  For most general aviation owners, the logbooks for the engine will probably be more valuable than the airframe.  The airframe, like the engine, can have critical AD’s that need to be monitored.  Most pilots worry more about the engine condition than the airframe.  Additionally, it would be worthwhile to do a search of the FAA records for any Major Repair or Alteration reports (Form 337).

This also brings up another question, should you pay less for an aircraft without logbooks?

As a personal buyer for a non-commercial use, the logbooks still have a value, although not as much as a commercial operator, but the price should still reflect the incomplete or missing logs.  How much money are the logs worth?  The guideline for most single engines aircraft logs is somewhere around $5,000.  Light twins are worth $5,000 to $10,000.  Establishing a price hinges on what information is available.  If the work orders and records are there, and hours can be substantiated, the logs are less critical.  If the missing logs are from years ago, but the aircraft has been maintained, overhauled and recorded since the time of loss, it would be less of a concern.  Logbooks have also been known to show up after the purchase of an aircraft.  The holders of the logbooks might have a reason for keeping the logs from the seller.  In those cases of “re-appearing logs”, the holder usually wants to be paid for the logs.  In some cases it might be worth the cost.

missing logbooks

Posted in aircraft, aircraft insurance, aircraft ownership, airplanes, Airventure, Aviation, aviation insurance, aviation market | Tags: aircraft, Aircraft insurance, airplanes, airports, airshows, Airventure, Beechcraft, EAA, experimental aircraft, FAA, homebuilt, kitplanes, Piper, Sun N Fun, sunnfun, TBM, Textron, warbirds |

New Piper Pilot 100 Trainer

Posted on April 2, 2019 by Scott Smith

Pricing starts at 259k VFR. Relible design updated with new Garmin avionics and Continental engine. Designed for flight schools.

Posted in aircraft, aircraft insurance, aircraft ownership, aircraft sales, aircraft training, airplanes, airshows | Tags: aircraft, airshows, aviation, Piper, Sun N Fun, training airplanes |

DRONE SHOWS TO LIGHT UP THE SKIES OVER LAKELAND DURING SUN ‘n FUN

Posted on February 11, 2019 by Scott Smith

For Immediate Release

February 11, 2019

Lakeland, FL: You saw them at the Olympics, and most recently at the Super Bowl. Now, airshow fans at the annual SUN ‘n FUN International Fly-In and Expo in Lakeland can look forward to something special – the first public drone light show performance at a Florida airshow. Over 60 of the specialized aerial robots will lift off together, taking flight twice during the week-long event. SUN ‘n FUN organizers are confident that this dazzling multi-colored aerial light display set to music, dubbed the “Star Dance Spectacular,” will be one of this year’s most memorable highlights.

“Drones are the latest in aviation technology, and it’s exciting to have a display like this to showcase just one of the incredible uses for them,” said Greg Gibson, Airshow Director for SUN ‘n FUN. “A drone light show has been on the top of our request list from the fans, and we are very proud to bring this cutting-edge demonstration to our audiences.

The science behind the spectacle is even more impressive than the twinkling, shape-shifting scenes played out against the backdrop of night. It can take up to three months to program the complex interactions and movements of so many drones that must move simultaneously while accounting for wind, humidity, and other factors. Great Lakes Drone Company, who produces the exhibition, is one of only a very few companies in the world capable of putting on drone performances of this scale. SUN ‘n FUN’s Aerospace Center for Excellence (ACE), their STEM-based education complex, provides the perfect venue for this type of 21st century presentation, and an exhibit area on the ground will be part of the overall experience for show-goers.

“SUN ‘n FUN is a world wonder of aerial entertainment, and we are honored to bring our technology to this legendary show,” said Matthew Quinn, president of Great Lakes Drone Company. “One of our key goals is to partner in communities to further aerospace education, and the award-winning programs at ACE is a perfect fit. Not only will we perform at SUN ’n FUN with our aerial night shows, but during the day we will feature STEM education in our exhibit and have a few other special surprises we can’t wait to announce in the weeks to come.”

The SUN ‘n FUN “Star Dance Spectacular” will take place during the night airshows that begin at 7:30 PM on Wednesday, April 3rd and Saturday, April 6th. The performance will be the closing act following a dazzling array of breathtaking performances and pyrotechnics by some of the world’s most renowned aerial artists.

About SUN ‘n FUN Fly-In, Inc.:

SUN ‘n FUN Fly-In is a 501 (c)(3) non-profit whose mission is to preserve and enhance the future of flight through world-class events, inspiring and educating people of all ages. Year round events, including the SUN ‘n FUN International Fly-In and Expo which is one of the world’s largest of its kind, raise funds for the Aerospace Center for Excellence (ACE). SUN ‘n FUN Fly-In annually raises over $2M for ACE enabling the delivery of STEM-related and aerospace education programs engaging over 35,000 youth each year. Additionally, ACE manages and allocates up to $445K/year in aerospace scholarships. For more information, www.flysnf.org.

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